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Russia natural gas into europe would be done, finished. he could be isolated from the access, russia could be isolated from access to the financial markets. you were one of the people who pushed for the act. he could receive personal sanctions. so much could be done. this seems like economic suicide and also, at some point you can't ride the russian body bags coming home to their families. how do you even maintain this oligarch system and this sort of autocracy given the pain you would be inflicting on your own people. i don't understand, do you? >> you're trying to speak from normal human log...

Striking phrases that i reroute myself from him just a couple of days ago was that this man, putin, he's a mad man. you cannot analyze him using sort of normal human logic. using normal human. you've heard him, essentially threaten the use of nuclear weapons in the last few days. it is dangerous. there is a reason most democratic countries have -- for their leaders. but because it's not okay to stay in power for that. long you start losing sense of reality. you start living in your own bubble. >> but to that point, take us inside the. said i want to show an image of putin earlier today. sittin...