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Little -- a lot of different ways out here. if the president isn't just so stuck on the term, "the wall." >> hey, alan, rick wilson on twitter has been saying the president may have to settle for a freedom ditch. back to reality, the president seems to have driven by steel slats and is back on a wall. do you think he's alone on that standing? >> i mean, this reminds me a lot of the early months of his administration when we were all, you know, his administration was screaming at all of us for calling it a travel ban at the time, and it took them a couple of months before he finally declared, y...

Stuck on the term, "the wall." >> hey, alan, rick wilson on twitter has been saying the president may have to settle for a freedom ditch. back to reality, the president seems to have driven by steel slats and is back on a wall. do you think he's alone on that standing? >> i mean, this reminds me a lot of the early months of his administration when we were all, you know, his administration was screaming at all of us for calling it a travel ban at the time, and it took them a couple of months before he finally declared, you know what, fine, call it a travel ban. we've been going through this now...

Work, let them have that discussion. >> those comments were made minutes apart in the same press conference. we get once again into the semantic trap about what's a wall, what's a fence. now we're talking about normandy barriers. what would be actually necessary in specific places along the u.s. border could still be built. but the idea of some big expansive wall like the president keeps talking about is just not on the table. democrats, remind you, control that committee. they have one additional vote on that committee. nothing's coming out of that committee if democrats hold the line and say...