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Faulkner. we know the names of the two civilians killed friday in an attack on a colorado springs planned parenthood clinic, 35-year-old jennifer murkovsky and 29-year-old kayer stewart. the third person was 44-year-old garrett swasey, a police officer for the university of colorado in colorado springs, also a pastor and dad of two. investigators trying to figure out why all this happened. one official says the suspect, robert dear said "no more baby parts" after his arrest but police have not worked through it to figure out his exact reasons for doing this. dear will make his first court ap...

You like. we'll check in several times. when you want to vote go to pulse.msnbc.com and with that i'll send it back to andrea. >> so let's start with the man at the center of the controversy, edward snowden. recently nbc news's brian williams interviewed snowden in moscow. brian and snowden talked about whether anyone had been harmed by his revelations. let's listen to snowden's answer. >> if after a year they can't show a single individual who has been harmed in any way by this reporting, is it really so grave? is it really so serious? and can we really trust those claims without cruscrutiniz...

Impressions of the facts, of what we're doing and what we're authorized to do. you know, nsa -- you talk about reigning in nsa. nsa is not the policy makers. nsa has done exactly what the administration, congress, and the courts have authorized. it is not nsa running amok. nsa has been asked to do this to defend our country, pure and simple. and the review group found that, and one of the members of the review group is on your board, and he said -- >> he's a great man. >> he's a great man. i was stunned and so, like you, i know that we all want to get this to the right place. so i do think now...

Point and put a point to my other team. leaving aside perhaps the harm that he has or has not done, do we like this debate that's been sparked on the nsa? general alexander, do you like this debate we're now having? >> i wish we could have done it differently. right now you mean? >> no, generally -- >> going to the dentist generally. >> i think the debate -- if we could replay history, go back 14 years, in fact, this is -- go ahead. >> let me answer that because i take it very personally. i was a member of congress on 9/11, a senior member of the house intelligence committee walking toward the...

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