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reporter: martha, not only tear gas round but live ammunition. we have live pictures we want to get to coming out of cairo. ramses square is in northwest cairo. that is where the muslim brotherhood called for all their folks to converge. noon prayers end ad couple of hours ago. there are house thousands of people in the streets streaming here to form a new protest camp. we ve seen in the video very clearly muslim brotherhood gunmen, often times they have fired back with ak-47s. who they re firing at, why they re firing we don t know. it certainly disputes the muslim brotherhood claim that their protests are quote, unquote, peaceful. they say they will remain in the streets and continuing to defy the army until mohammed morsi, who was the democratically-elected president up until seven weeks ago, is returned to office. so far it appears the military is allowing marchs to happen. there are tanks and armored personnel carriers all over cairo and today once again the ....
Army, very much upset how things had gone down in cairo. the army says, that simply em boldens violent terrorists. and the president s remarks, were quote, not based on facts. they have already deployed, tanks, armored personnel carriers and made it clear they will not tolerate this kind of violence in the streets especially if you see the video coming back with gunmen firing out. many crowds are chanting out, our blood, our soul, we defend islam. not we defend egypt. this is setting up versus a muslim brotherhood versus army war on streets. martha: looks like a civil war. we hope that doesn t happen. we ll watch it as well during the next couple hours. thanks, leland. arizona senator john mccain believes the white house hasn t help matters with the statement they made yesterday. mccain was asked if the decision to cancel joint military exercises with egypt was adequate and here was his response. a long time ago we should ....
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A lid on it, however wad this might be bad this might be right now, what happens to the rest of the region? and you know the israelis would be very concerned about all of that. yeah. if we just say that s it, we ve had it, your on our eurozone, then i think you re looking at a generation of violence. and what happens in egypt doesn t just stay within egypt s borders. it ll spread. like you said, the sinai peninsula where these military exercises were supposed to take place, al-qaeda s there now. you know, if that spreads, if the violence spreads, we already have syria that s in chaos. if egypt goes in chaos, then you have lebanon that ll follow, maybe jordan and then the entire region is really an economic and political chaos for a decade if not a generation. bill: it s a remarkable thing to think back to 2009 when the president made the speech in cairo. conor powell, currently working in jerusalem, made this point to me the other day. he said for the first time, the ....
People in this part of the world are not afraid of their leaders, and that is a significant and substantial difference. what do you think of that? it s a good thing in the sense that they ve been governed by, you know, autocrats, dictators, pharoahs, generals, kings forever. so it s good they re taking responsibility into their own hands. the problem with it is that if you have chaos, civil war, egypt is now on the brink of becoming syria-style civil war, that s not a good thing because then you really i don t see where it ends other than political and economic chaos as far as the eye can see with israel in the middle of it and america s energy interest. bill: that s a live picture, right, guys? they called for a day of rage, the muslim brotherhood did, in cairo and various other cities. we re getting reports of possibly 17-20 dead again today. who knows what happens after nightfall because this is around the time when muslim prayers end at the mosque, and more people come into the ....