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Steve. what does he do if he loses the fight that he has picked, right? getting my 5.6 and then? if it is reopened and then we'll debate it. how does he try to spin that? >> well, i think he has to convince those squish republicans, and that's really what i would call them, to get a backbone. you can't negotiate from that kind of weakness. you'll have no leverage then once the government is reopened. more importantly what he's doing is speaking to the people. most of those senators, not murkowski, will respond to their constituents on the republican side are still kwarlly behind the president ...

Judge kavanaugh's nomination. >> are there enough other republicans? are you confident there are enough other republicans a final confirmation vote so that mcconnell would not have to -- >> i'm optimistic about that. i would urge to you ask other senators how they will present themselves. i think senator flake and i having had some conversations with colleagues had reason to be optimistic that that could be successful. >> participated in the meeting in the back. >> at some points virtually every member of the committee at some point bass in the back hall. >> were there any senators thaty not m...

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