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CNN Tonight

end he says, it is too late for us, that is for the next guy. making it very clear that he knew he lost. there are details like that in here. there is also the detail that the vice president, mike pence, took notes and, apparently, was a very detailed note taker. taking contemporaneous notes during his meetings with mr. trump. it notes, in one instance, pence takes notes saying that trump falsely tells him that the justice department was finding major infractions, another time pence was mentioned taking notes is one trump making no false claims of election fraud, including the, quote, bottom line of every state by 100,000 votes and we won every state. now, i was talking earlier to olivia troye, who as you know of course worked for the former vice president. she said he was a very detailed note taker, that he would use a black sharpie and a next cards. now we know this and we know that he was providing these

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CNN Tonight

that the vice president mike pence took notes. and patiently was a very detailed note taker. taking contemporaneously notes with his meetings with mr. trump. it notes in one instance, pence takes notes saying trump falsely tells him that the justice department was finding major infractions. another time pence is mentioned taking notes is when trump makes knowingly false claims of election fraud, including the quote bottom line on every state by 100,000 votes. and we won every state. now i was talking earlier to olivia troye, who as you know, of course worked for the former vice president. she said he was a very detailed note taker, that he would use a black sharpie and index cards. now we know this and we know that he was providing these notes to the doj. how big of a role do you think his notes could play? >> there are those notes and

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Deadline White House

florida so that if the government is thinking i'm going to charge donald trump in d.c., they may at the same time decide that they want to charge him to put more pressure on him and also because he should be held to account if he lied to the government, and that charge may be brought in florida. that might be a second reason for why we're hearing that there may be grand jury activity in that state. >> one more for you. it felt like jim comey's, you know, payout from the political grave, the tapes, as michael cohen before him, and done mcgahn with his copious notes and his note taker, who became the narrator of the mueller report, trump has another lawyer who didn't just take notes but who narrated a novel-like version of his month-long legal service for trump. is that normal? >> no.

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Alex Wagner Tonight

extraneous factors like other investigations that may be under way. >> setting aside the timeline, which, of course, is a mystery to everybody except jack smith, probably. devlin, the strength of the case here and what we're learning about the fact evan corcoran was a copious note taker down to it reporting in the guardian says in addition to his exchange with trump corcoran described trump's facial reactions whenever they discussed the subpoena. it was said to irritate trump who only learned about them after the notes themselves were subpoenaed. this sounds like what sounds like a treasure-trove of information especially since mr. nauta isn't cooperating. i wonder how and what your questions would be for evan corcoran if you had access to these notes. what sort of passages here would be of most interest to you? >> so i think corcoran's account is important not so much as a

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6th. and i think, lastly, it's really important to remember that it's not just cassidy hutchinson that has mentioned pat cipollone as a fly on the wall in these conversations. it's people like rich donoghue, jared kushner, as we discussed yesterday, people who said he was there for important moments. jared kushner called him a wimp for threatening to resign and threatening that the white house counsel's office would resign if trump did certain things, and rich donoghue also described him as, really, one of the only firewalls actually in the west wing to the former president's actions. >> you know, barbara mcquade, before him, don mcgahn was a witness to donald trump's actions and was so concerned about what he saw that he had a note taker. he had a chief of staff. and ultimately, robert mueller got ahold of don mcgahn to the tune of, i think, 20 to 30 hours of testimony. mcgahn is the key narrator of volume two of the mueller report

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January 6th Hearings

exoneration of the president's role, but he's pointing again to the leaving out of the peacefully heading to the capitol, no exoneration but the lack of any alternative perspective or questioning on the committee in that room. nonetheless, martha, we are learning a whole lot more, and the memory and the details around the basic framework we had, she was also known to be a very good note taker, so clearly she's providing a lot of detail for the committee and for the country today. >> martha: absolutely. i'm not sure it shocks anybody that the president, knowing what we have seen, observing him over of the years if he got angry that he might throw his lunch. it's obviously a very dramatic detail and the way she describes it is. i'm not sure it's wholly out of character of the donald trump

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who do you run that by? you bring that in with the person that was right there in that meeting. she took notes. mark meadows did not like to take notes. that's why he wanted her in on all the meetings. he was a texter. she was a note taker, remember when richard donoghue had the contemporaneous notes. declare it corrupt, leave it to me and the republican congressmen. cassidy hutchinson has notes from all of these meetings, whether it's about fake electors, pressuring pence, what meadows told her about trump on january 6. every time they get new information, they go back to the woman who saw it all, was in most of the meetings, heard from everybody and run it by her again. >> it is interesting just to consider this young person at this very vulnerable part of her career and her life coming forward, giving answers, telling the truth to the american people which is sadly quite a contrast of what we see from members of her own party, especially elected officials in their 50s

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all the time. revelations that while the siege was ongoing he accused pence of causing it by not overturning the will of the people. i am just thinking the other sort of trump-era investigations. you don't necessarily need jeffrey clark to sit down if you have the acting attorney general at the time, mr. rosen, who is cooperating with the senate judiciary committee, and the 1/6 committee, it's note taker. talk getting the whole eastman story without eastman, should he choose not to comply. >> theeseman story is about a eastman memo a plan. when we discovered this document we discovered this was a plan that was in action in early january. the story the committee is trying to piece together clearly by interviewing people in the state is to figure out who was going to be a touch point for trump as he tried to execute the plan on january 5th, 6th.

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