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Was willing to take that risk anyway. what was so important to have that conversation knowing the fire storm it would brick and the white house would keep it underwraps. >> hold on. i want to bring in the ambassador michael mcfall into the conversation. ambassador mcfall, you and i had this conversation that when president obama and president trump met while you were ambassador you were in the room, you were the note taker. you were responsible for the notes and whatever the readout became from those notes. how unusual is it for there to have been no u.s. government presence with the light tha...

Fighters. so the situation in iraq is clearly not stable. they'll never be a unitary state in syria, iraq, lebanon, afghanistan. we're just presiding over these terrible, internal comments did you find it notable that neither mattis nor mcmaster was in on the trump talks with putin? >> simply astonishing. i doubt that that's ever happened before. first of all, you want a note taker that can back brief the officials of government who were not present and who has a recommend random of record for it. in addition, the whole notion of not having mcmaster or mattis or

Worn stars on your shoulder, did you find it notable that neither mat his nor mcmaster was in on the trump talks with putin. >> simply astonishing. you know, i doubt that that's ever happened before. first of all, you want a note taker in there that can independently backbrief the senior officials of government who weren't present and have a memory randa of record of it. but not having h.r. mcmaster or mattis or tillerson present at all these significant meetings is shocking. again, it goes back to this notion that mr. trump does not appear to trust his own government, his own officials. they ...

Conflicts that are primarily ethnic and religious as you know. >> because i try to follow issues that are important to all of you who have worn stars on your shoulder, did you find it notable that neither mattis nor mcmaster was in on the trump talks with putin? >> simply astonishing. you know, i doubt that that's ever happened before. first of all, you want a note taker in there that can independently back-brief the senior officials of government who weren't present. but in addition, you know, the whole notion of not having h.r. mcmaster or secretary tillerson or mattis present at all these s...

Notable that neither mattis nor mcmaster was in on the trump talks with putin? >> simply astonishing. you know, i doubt that that's ever happened before. first of all, you want a note taker in there that can independently back-brief the senior officials of government who weren't present. but in addition, you know, the whole notion of not having h.r. mcmaster or secretary tillerson or mattis present at all these significant meetings is shocking. i think, again, it goes back to this notion that mr. trump does not appear to trust his own government, his own officials. this attempt to set up a pri...