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Muller had never been charged in either case. we wanted to hear from muller ourselves. his attorney did not want him to speak to anyone. however, muller wanted to see a producer. we spent 30 minutes talking to muller through glass on the phone. no recording, no note-taking. >> what was it like? >> we were joking, he was telling about the books he was reading. >> what happens if he is found guilty of the crimes? >> he wouldn't say he was guilty of anything. >> we said, we found a woman who matched denise huskins and

Like to get to the bottom of it. if he thought people working for him and thousand thght they had something wrong with the russians, the right thing would be to say let's get to the bottom of it. what rudy giuliani said last night is a definite significant change. >> what we're talking about with collusion, the lack of note taking in helsinki, all of it could be classified under the weight of this presidency and what it's doing to this country, it altering the way this country operates. the lack of notetaking is particularly relevant in the wake of the attack yesterday in syria where we lost t...

I can't think another instance where something like that has happened. note taking is just something that happened. >> they said they were worried act leaks. >> i think it is plausibility at that point. there had been leaked from some meetings with foreign leaders, i can laj that is a reason. >> they don't trust any staffers to walk into a meet k like that, not to tell the media what is happening. >> not one person in the administration. >> there was a point when he thought the whole committee was obama lovers spying on him. are there other examples that took that step when it wasn't the russi...

Recall what people said, what the various positions were that stacked up and that you move forward accurately on that basis. in the fbi, there's an even more hard wired culture of note taking. agents write fbi 302s. they're reports of interview for every meeting with a witness. in the upper echelons on the bureau, they document everything. these notes are remarkably accurate. you know, i can go back years back or could when i was in the department and look at notes and have a very clear picture of what happened in a meeting because sometimes you needed that sort of longevity of recollection to...

Curious about the man accused of putting a hit on his parents. he looked more law student than murder suspect. for two weeks they watched his note taking, his whisper add sides to attorney fleisher. >> he felt he was wrongfully prosecuted. the only way we could tie up a lot of things and actually prove things or disprove things is by him testifying. >> give me the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. >> i do. >> reporter: how would he convey his innocence first by describing his hospital vigil, a concerned son on the night of the shooting. >> did he acknowledge that you were there...