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More open to that, but that's a risky path to take to be a central part of the policy. the final thing i would say, pamela, that struck me is just to hear the u.s. secretary of state, after two very volatile weeks with north korea to say that the u.s. recognizes that north korea took a de-escalation step in the threats, with regard to guam, et cetera, that's significant to hear america's top diplomat say, listen, north korea, we're watching, and not so much thank you, but, in effect, that's a positive step towards avoiding war. >> right. and he cited -- he said the reason why this is, he belie...

The world understands. he has got to shake the situation up because left to his own, north korea is going to plan to strike us cities, south korea and japan. we can't just sit here and do nothing. calls between xi jinping and donald trump is a positive sign. what happened a week ago about the security resolution getting russia, china, the united states, france, is a good sign but china played a very important role here. 90% of the trade with north korea comes from china. elizabeth: we talk so much about north korea, there could be back channel communications and china plays such an integral pa...

It was about action. we're going to go forward. i think we're going to say and continue to say north korea has acted recklessly, irresponsibly, and it has to stop. and think we have tried to say multiple times all options are on the table, we continue to give north korea an out, we continue to give north korea the ability to stop what they're doing, and now they have to see what they do with that. >> let me ask you briefly real quick about the president signing off on fresh sanctions for russia. you have said everybody knows they meddled. do you think the sanctions will stop russia from meddli...

As far as diplomacy is concerned? >> it has to be a broader approach, for sure. but at this point nothing is working. we get another u.n. security resolution, all talk. unfortunately, we want to rely on the international partners to help, but they are not many people that can enforce this, and so it is kind of a waste of time for ambassador haley to be working with the u.n. unless they are actually going to do something about it. so china is one piece of the puzzle, we also have an incredible cyber covert capability that should be utilized, that surpasses our enemies, but we do not to use it t...

That you once held? >> well, i think what's been notable in the first 100 days is the extent of her ability to make statements that have really incapsulated the new administration's foreign policy. i wouldn't say it's quite a role reversal with the secretary of state. secretary tillerson is now, i think, beginning to speak now more to the press. did he with bret baier earlier tonight. but in this first couple of months, it has been very interesting to see how much he has done and how much she has been able to call attention to. so problems as she did this afternoon on syria. >> sandra: how muc...