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be convicted. >> right. >> those are good things in his column. do you think there would be any downside here for president biden were hunter to be convicted? of course, as the personal toll, of course. do we think there is political im impact? >> yeah, there are low information voters who are like, they're both in trouble with the law. i would say hunter biden is very different than donald trump and being a crack addict because you have an addiction is very different than a myriad after criminal charges, many cases which you've been able to punt. then you have the fraud cases. i don...

Now, that does not look like progress to me. that looks like a major setback. i think trump's victory almost challenged our historical belief system about america. that, in many ways, is what "the forever war, america's unending conflict with itself," is about. >> a spirited debate about the new book "the forever war, america's unending conflict with itself," one, i figure, we will continue in the weeks and months to come. come back and see us, nuclear bryant. thanks so much. we appreciate it. "the new yorker"'s susan glasser joins us on "fighting trump on the beaches," split screen of presi...