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Democracies, gordon chang, author of "nuclear showdown." an appropriate title, gordon, and we'll start with you. why is this story in north korea or recent weeks so significant for the region as a whole? >> it's not just north korea. this is also iran because iran and north korea have had joint missile and nuclear weapons development program, and behind all of them is china. of just a few hours ago people's daily, the communist party's flagship publication, issued a commentary severely attacking the united states. xi jinping said on sunday no one should be allowed to roil the region and even t...

And they are saying iranians doubled down in advancing the nuclear weapons development program. here we are still trying to talk to them, still trying to use economic sanctions which are some what factless. if you are going to bring iranians to heal economic set backs are not going to do it. you wouldn't have to col lelaps them economically and even then they don't come to heal. what took prime minister netanyahu he knows iranians do not believe that our military option is credible despite the rhetoric behind it. >> that is sad and scary. i have to leave it there general jack keen will be disc...

And they are saying iranians doubled down in advancing the nuclear weapons development program. here we are still trying to talk to them, still trying to use economic sanctions which are some what factless. if you are going to bring iranians to heal economic set backs are not going to do it. you wouldn't have to col lelaps them economically and even then they don't come to heal. what took prime minister netanyahu he knows iranians do not believe that our military option is credible despite the rhetoric behind it. >> that is sad and scary. i have to leave it there general jack keen will be disc...

To play here. but i would say that -- obviously the u.s. has a right to do that. i don't think it's the right thing to do. i mean i think the point is, that the u.s., israel and everybody else in the middle east, particularly among the arab nations who are very concerned about iran becoming nuclear, should find common ground here and to me, the common ground is that everything we've tried to do to convince iran to stop its nuclear weapons development program by economic sanctions is not working. and the diplomatic track, the so-called p5 plus 1 has made absolutely no progress, so that iran by ...

But since he got to washington, bottom up obama has been classic top down liberal orthodoxy. no, no, we're going to tell you what to think, solve all your problems, send us all your money. there's nothing really new about that. i think he's distanced himself as the bottom up candidate, become the top down president. >> thing is the squeaky, noisy wheels of change. and it takes a while. and we're going to see slow change, but as people see as a health care system that is responding to their need for more services as people see an energy system that's more into alternative fuels, education inves...