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This is just the start. i think you'll start to hear as other defendants are charged what happened. we haven't heard from mike flynn in a while. there's a reason he's being quiet and hasn't been sentence pd. that's because she's cooperating. >> jack, court filings show the special counsel's office is almost three times the number of exhibits for the next manafort criminal trial in d.c. what does that tell you about mueller's preparation? >> his preparation is doubtless, exquisite, but to this earlier point, i want to emphasize something. the idea that this is not about the president, i mean, i...

Doubtless exquisite. but, you know, to this earlier point i want to emphasize something. the idea that this is not about the president, i mean, in manafort's defense suggested not so, you know, between the -- under the covers here this was, in fact, all about the president. i think the tactic they employed was what lawyers call a nullification approach where essentially they didn't put on a defense. they're not trying to rebut the voluminous evidence that the prosecution put forward in the form of the papers, the tax returns, the bank applications and the eyewitnesses to these fraudulent activ...