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Are we still headed, numbers-wise, as you survey the country, in the wrong direction? and what's going to really pull us out of that palpably? >> brian, i think we are still looking at a fairly challenging fall. we are still in this delta surge. we are about to see a lot of kids go back to school, at least some people go back to the office, some will do so with masks and improved ventilation, some will not. so i think that will lead to a bump in transmission in cases over the course of september. i think we'll see this peak around october. then we'll probably have a lull, a bit of a lull, hope...

Forth between about 450,000 up and down since 2010. the point is that, yeah, sure, is there a problem? okay. is it a national emergency? >> we have more women and children coming over now which definitely strains our capability at the border and for housing. you have seen some of the horrible tragedies that occurred because of that. look, this is a different situation. i agree. numbers-wise, it's less, but the complexity of dealing with the people who are coming is more. i don't think it is proper to say, well, less people so it's not a crisis. it is a different kind of crisis. the president l...