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>> would you encourage bill barr and jeff sessions to testify under oath? >> you know, i think we should have the benefit of the doubt of the decisionmaking that took place. whether it has to be under oath or, you know, what context that is. i think we need to know why this decision was made. and i think the ig, that's within the proper purview of the ig. >> okay. so a somewhat tacit endorsement there. but that being said, what do you make of the response, and the republican reaction to these reports overall? do you think the testimony will actually happen, could it happen willingly or only af...

Up in his face, it would create a crisis for this country, we don't need that, let's move forward in a professional way. >> joining our discussion, a former assistant director for national intelligence, frank faguli and eugene robertson, an msnbc political analyst. >> gene what did you get your wife for her birthday? i know that's a tough question. >> maybe i didn't get her so much. >> i didn't mean to grill you here. >> unbelievable. look. in terms of ever, ever talking to mueller under oath or -- you sit down in front of mueller, you're subject to perjury. either he never does it or he takes...

>> joining our discussion, a former assistant director for national intelligence, frank faguli and eugene robertson, an msnbc political analyst. >> gene what did you get your wife for her birthday? i know that's a tough question. >> maybe i didn't get her so much. >> i didn't mean to grill you here. >> unbelievable. look. in terms of ever, ever talking to mueller under oath or -- you sit down in front of mueller, you're subject to perjury. either he never does it or he takes the fifth. there is no way that -- i mean, lawyers would have to throw themselves bodily between the president and that ...

Certainly he did not purge himself. i listen to the question and answer, he is now submitting supplemental affidavit to the committee. >> should he recuse himself neil? >> of course. he should've resigned. >> should've loretta lynch recused him self when she met with a woman who is under criminal investigation and never told the dam soul? >> i don't know what one has to do with the other. >> jeff sessions lied under oath or. >> he did not lie under oath. >> he lied under oath. then when he resubmitted the testimony he said the same thing. listen -- >> so was that alive when she said she didn't...

Himself. i listen to the question and answer, he is now submitting supplemental affidavit to the committee. >> should he recuse himself neil? >> of course. he should've resigned. >> should've loretta lynch recused him self when she met with a woman who is under criminal investigation and never told the dam soul? >> i don't know what one has to do with the other. >> jeff sessions lied under oath or. >> he did not lie under oath. >> he lied under oath. then when he resubmitted the testimony he said the same thing. listen -- >> so was that alive when she said she didn't sit. >> she wasn't under o...