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You lose the tax credit. >> david: interesting idea. neil? >> i think we need incentives for performance, but not pay for performance. the problem is we have teachers unions that helped to bankrupt metropolitan areas all over the country. we're talking about giving the members 20,000 or $30,000 for doing their job? they're supposed to be civil servant. if you want incentive, i agree with bill. give them a choice to move out of schools and if the schools don't perform well they get closed and the teachers lose their job. that's an incentive. >> david: stephane, teachers like everybody else, goo...

Doesn't seem possible, but the national education association did not invite anybody from the administration to speak at their convention this summer. the reason? well, they're ticked about the president's pay for performance plan. saying it creates a system of winners and losers, but e-mac, you say that's what teachers need. >> listen, before i begin, teachers are basically -- i think they should get paid combat pay because they're running social welfare agencies and nurseries. the things they put up with parents that don't take care of the baby and children and lay it off on teacher is wrong...

Look pretty. >> david: mike, what happens when the tax cut goes away? >> you are penalizing investing, savings and job creation, david. look -- >> david: what will happen? spell it out for us. are we going to see more job losses or ends of small businesses? what? >> stagnant economy, an economy like when jimmy carter was president. a lot of it is for the same reason. i agree with quinton about one thing. he's half right. spending by bush increase, spending is the problem, not the lower tax rates. the problem is president obama doubled-down on that. >> david: e-mack, point is right now can we a...

Massive subsidiaries we give to the wind and solar energies, which are in the tens of billions of dollars. >> as you know, general electric to create green jobs. this is another problem with obama onics. it tries to pick winners and losers. bad guys and good guys. bad guys are oil company. let's screw them. give the tax break to everybody else. it never works. >> history shows planned economy is inferior to economy based on free choice. the government can't pick winners and losers. i can't do it successfully. >> if you want to know why i believe still, even with the usama bin laden bounce he i...

January, i'll blame it on the previous administration. think it will work? it might just work. i think the tax cuts are not here to stay. tax increases are definite. even on the middle class. in fact, obama's already broken his pledge, hasn't he? when he raised taxes on sun tanning parlors, didn't it hit the middle class? >> david: that's true. no way to know if it's the middle class people don't want tans and got tax increases. quinton what do you think? >> it's saturday morning but i'm going to get real, anyway. i'm blame obama, too. because he defines middle class over $200,000. i'm sorry, ...