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Employer donald trumps a resort. it seemed to catch a local camera operator by surprise. i'd say 99% of our employees are insured through the hotel, through our insurance and maybe there's a few that are insured through obamacare. but very, very few. i would say -- and i haven't gone flu the records, but over 95%, without a doubt. >> a short time later on fox news trump was asked how his employees are hurt by obamacare. >> a moment ago at your event in florida we're watching it live here in new york, you said that it's costing jobs within your business itself. specifically how? >> -- obamacare...

But he never framed this. we saw it with the stimulus package and the affordable care act. there's still so much confusion and misinformation from the very beginning we're still sort of seeing how this has played out eight years after the fact. >> there's fascinating science that shows people's perceptions of what it is and what it constitutes and who it helps are crazy skewed. people perceive the stimulus bill and obamacare to be aimed at black people that it's not true which accounts for the hatred and resistance to it. >> who benefits from it. >> he's done very few racially targeted policie...

Reality that you can have a candidate like this -- >> yes, basically the alt-right for years has created an alterne reality that has ultimately led to trump. >> you mean the right. >> the alt-right. >> i think i would say that there's a self-identified white nationalists of the alt-right. it's larger than that. >> i don't mean to paint all conservative leaning journalists with the same brush, those that are pedalling crazy conspiracy theories saying that obama was not born in the united states, there sort of thing. >> that's part of the issue because there's tons of conservative journalists an...

Kind of weird that none of the democrats or the gop has managed to really steer that conversation in the presidential election. >> but here's what i want to ask you as a political scientist, i sort of feel in the long run that the sort of lines of politics and policy should converge, right? if there's something that there's a lot of scare tactics and it will destroy america and turn us into this socialist monster and the thing happens and it's not that but maybe has some broken parts but opinion would converge on it but instead a health reporter called it like roe v. wade, there's no convergen...

There's one thing that trumpers and never-trumpers have in common. obamacare. back in may trump and a group of gop senators met and agreed that obamacare will re-emerge as an explosive political issue before the november elections. that could be a millstone around hillary clinton's neck. so with the vent news that obamacare premiums in the exchanges digital plans are going up by more than 20% on average next year trump stood before his doral golf course in miami this morning flanked by about 200 of his employees and tried to make the point that obamacare is a disaster for them. >> you can say ...