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>> let me just jump in here because i agree it's going to be difficult to distance. but what do you make of the roe reporting that's come out with rudy giuliani being under investigation himself in new york. >> again, documenting how his ties to these two individuals have gone back quite a few years at this point, it's important showing he might have ties to these campaign finance violences that igor fruman and parnas have been indicted with. we don't know exactly what he knew about their attempts to funnel russian money into donald trump's presidential campaign. but by documenting the extent ...

The object lesson here, if you can win that argument, you can win the whole thing politically. >> well, on nixon and clinton, they didn't focus on articles of impeachment. they wanted to give the other party a chance to vote with donald trump on two or three counts, and then vote against him on one. and, mike, it only takes one. >> yeah, look, i agree with john. keep it simple. keep it focused and a story people can understand i think is going to have more corroborating facts and make that the thing. don't widen it up so the president's defenders can make complicated subparts of the investigat...

Wrong? or do you try to remain focused in a laser-like way on this particular sin, on this particular crime, on this particular dereliction of duty? i think the smart -- it sounds to me increasingly the smart argument is the one that says let's just stay focused on this one thing. don't load up the sled. don't overload the sled. there are going to be people on the left who will want to take on all of donald trump's crimes. the smarter play is to focus on this one thing that basically proves it all. the object lesson here, if you can win that argument, you can win the whole thing politically. >...

People in the country. this is an object lesson on the leaders from iran, how not to hold the country responsible for the wars in syria and yemen, as well. from perspective of this today, this is what they wanted. there was no door left open to negotiate. i know this is not just on your trip to saudi arabia, but from republican lawmakers here. lindsey graham and others saying, it has watered down by refusing to act militarily. >> and the consistency that the region looks for him to provide, he provided it here. but what will he do tomorrow? the saudis are taking steps to protect their faciliti...

The proper way to put pressure on china is to work with allies in the region. who have some of the same concerns. to create efficiencies that highlight their weakness. one thing that worries me, xi jinping doesn't have elections. he doesn't have to worry about that. he could take a lot of pain, because he is not taking it in an unrepresented system. >> shannon: quickly -- he's never going to be facing reelection. this president has one in a matter of months. >> they do care about china policy and balancing trade. we are just not willing to burn down our own house at it. the results you've seen...