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Supposed to be the thing that builds value. blackness actually drops housing values because of the nature of how blackness is understood. then your very ownership of the thing makes it less valuable. >> this is the crucial point about baltimore. when we talked about that 1910 segregation ordinance, it was in direct response to an african-american attorney who purchased a home in a white community. >> yale educated, right? >> yale educated. and the "baltimore sun" said he is causing a deficit. in the an object lesson in the monetary value associated with whiteness. that's what we're actually ta...

Struck me about, this is another object lesson in the way the criminal justice system works is, you get nabbed you get offered a plea and if you don't get a plea you are going to get pounded. >> take that -- >> oh, watch your words! watch your words! but, yes. we're going all in on chris hayes. but, honest i feel like sex on the beach is punishment enough. i know that. it's not all that it's cracked up to be and there's sand if places you didn't think there would be sand. >> so you think they've suffered enough? >> i think they've suffered enough. i think they really have. >> but if you do -- ...

And now i'm here because i don't have the luxury of putting that time behind me. and i think i would be doing myself and the powers at be a great disservice for giving me that second chance. >> it's remarkable to imagine the difference between those seven years of your life seven more years being spent inside incarcerated, and what you have been able to do in seven years outside. that is kind of the object lesson, right? there is tens and hundreds of thousands and millions more people in the system of whom that might be said. >> you're absolutely correct. i don't want to monopolize too much of...

>> did they say not? are you sure? joining me now is the judge that read that verdict. retired texas district court judge chris. your reaction to what that happened in the last 24 or 48 hours? >> you always have to expect the unexpected with robert durst and the things going on in his life. every time you think it is as shocking as it could being with something else happens that lets you know this case is so far from being over. >> you sat in that courtroom, and that trial is taken by many as an object lesson in the ways that someone with ample resources can get something out of a justice syst...

>> all the time. they got away with it when you see what they did to sony. >> i'm sure people have written checks to make this go away in the past. this one is so public and in some ways it doesn't matter who did it because the object lesson to all of us who are watching is the same. my god. they got away with it. >> totally. and could it happen to me? jim walsh, thank you so much for coming on. coming up next, we'll take you back to what's happening with sony in a minute but we have to talk to cuba. the thaw in relations. former secretary of commerce under george w. bush is joining me next li...