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Sense when there's a male in a public corruption case, if you can bring in some woman to say it's her fault, if you can blame her. and the report uses incredibly charged language about not just bridget kelly but also mayor zimmerman. it says she's out of touch with reality. >> zimmer. yeah. >> vindicate a woman, they have things going on with their personal lives, maybe they couldn't focus. these are old-fashioned sexist cold wars that are trying to dirty up people who might be star witnesses in a prosecution against governor. >> right. and as you say, star witnesses who could be very importan...

>> vindicate a woman, they have things going on with their personal lives, maybe they couldn't focus. these are old-fashioned sexist cold wars that are trying to dirty up people who might be star witnesses in a prosecution against governor. >> right. and as you say, star witnesses who could be very important later. pivotal, even, steve. zimmer, of course, we should mention, as i said in the intro, is cited repeatedly here including your reporting because your show broke the story of her allegations. your thoughts on the way she was depicted here? and whether it gives you any pause about her as...

Bridget kelly but also mayor zimmerman. it says she's out of touch with reality. >> zimmer. yeah. >> vicinindicate a woman, they things going on with their personal lives, maybe they couldn't focus. these are old-fashioned sexist cold wars that are trying to dirty up people who might be star witnesses in a prosecution against governor. >> right. and as you say, star witnesses who could be very important later. pivotal, even, steve. zimmer, of course, we should mention, as i said in the intro, is cited repeatedly here including your reporting because your show broke the story of her allegations...