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Make 800,000 federal employees go without pay and all of these critical services face escalating strain on the idea you're going to solve it suddenly in three weeks after 15 years, just seems to me, you know, completely irresponsible and almost a separate point from the underlying substance of how far you go on the dreamers verse how much money you give objen t wall. >> why is the president not responsive to that? isn't that federal workers saying where is the empathy? why are you using us as pawns? >> look, there are two reasons. one, because he's a president who does not accept the norms of ...

Of these talks to suddenly seeing donald trump at the podium saying this is part of his, you know, grand bargain. >> so ron, does it appear as though the president is more willing, however, to be influenced by conservative commentators, say republican congressman steve king, who have tweeted their criticisms about his latest offer? >> right, look, i think the answer is yes in that the president and everyone in the white house, i think, recognizes that if there is going to be any conversation with democrats about accepting money for a wall, that the minimum on his side is going to be a permanen...

Offering any incentive for dems to come to the table? >> i don't think this specific proposal offers an incentive, but i think it does set in motion a process that could lead you somewhere. this proposal itself is, as i like to call it, hostage taking squared. first of all, he has two programs he has unilaterally moved to end, daca and the temporary protection. then he has closed the government on top of that. he says, well, then i'll extend the programs and i'll reopen the government that i closed, if you give me the money for something that 60% of the country consistently opposed, which is t...

Country opposes the wall and roughly 60% opposes the shutdown, how quickly a president can drift -- >> and more than half blaming president for the shutdown. >> yeah, yeah. if you don't even have the goal of maintaining majority support, you can get pretty far off track pretty fast, and i think this shutdown has showed us that. >> all right. we'll leave it there for now. thanks so much to both of you. appreciate it. so this shutdown has real impacts for thousands of people. pilots warning of security risks. tsa workers who keep our airports safe are calling out sick. attorneys are warning of s...

That doesn't include a wall, it's dead as 4:00. >> let me just also make clear that what the president proposed yesterday, increasing border security, looking at tps, looking at the dreamers, i'll use that as a starting point, but you've got to start by opening the government. what we cannot do, and i've actually had republicans as well recognize this, is that we cannot reward the kind of behavior of hostage taking. >> president trump's proposals already being called dead on arrival by democrats. he's asking for $5.7 billion for his border wall. in exchange for three years of extended protecti...