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They would have been otherwise. afghanistan right now is in exactly the same position in the rankings of save the children and unicef on where is it safest for a woman to give birth and where is it safest for a child to be born and live to her first birthday in the world. afghanistan is the worst place for a woman to give birth, it used to be second, now it's first. and it's the worst place for a child to survive. that's partly because in those -- in those years of occupation, the u.s. has spent a huge amount of money training 350,000 soldiers and police and only 1200 midwives. what if that ha...

Libya seems to me happening in syria as well where there hasn't been the same intervention and so maybe it's just the nature of the conflict as opposed to what the u.s. or the west does. >> no, that's a copout. it's not the nature of the conflict. the very same jihadists who were called terrorists in 2000, the libya islamic fighting group who were called terrorists, they were the same people financed to overthrow the gadhafi regime. so all of these organizations that are now in benghazi creating problems are the ones who were being financed by the cia to go to syria. so the united states canno...

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