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Of obstruction? >> well, it depends. the reporting here is that it was michael cohen who approached president trump through their lawyers, requesting a pardon. and so there might be a problem with michael cohen legally in doing that. but if president trump's answer was no, then i don't think he has done anything wrong there. what's more interesting is to know what the response was, whether it was something like just play ball with us now and you'll get a pardon later, could be very interesting. it's interesting that rudy giuliani invokes the attorney/client privilege to prevent disclosure whic...

Later maybe that same day he goes to comey and says, go easy on flynn. now, why isn't that proof of his mindset that he thought if he could cover up the flynn thing, and make it go away, the russia thing went away, and why isn't that proof of an intent to obstru obstruct? >> well, part of what i didn't include in the book that he also said that day to me, part of that was -- >> i would never obstruct? >> no, no, no. that the reason they fired flynn was because he lied to pence. he said, you know, if you lie to the vice president, i can't have you around here anymore. >> so they knew that he wa...

>> it's factually inaccurate that this is a problem for the democrats. although they were going to obstru obstruct. the main problem was the freedom cause in the house. >> you've got paul ryan, paul r., instead of the house speaker. instead of the senate majority leader, mitch m., and steve mnuchin saying we're going to raise the debt ceiling. are they carrying on without this president? the. >> that's a good point. i think increasingly they have to go their own way and get bills done. there's a problem -- there's an interesting story in the "new york post" that says the white house is saying,...

Done, all right? now we know we're going to -- >> that's crazy. shows a complete lack of knowledge of the folks voting yesterday. >> maybe the folks voting yesterday, but most of the country. >> like obamacare, that's a good thing? >> come on, have manners. let me tell you how it goes. >> go ahead. >> the reality is most people want to see congress do their job and be at work, right? so what happens is now the republican party in virginia has now nominated a guy who's going to be even more obstructionist. >> that's right. >> than eric cantor. right? now, hopefully my team is going to beat him....