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They know they need to do this. yet they're in a box. >> you're right about the leadership. they know what's happening with the party on the national level and in the years and decades to come. i think we make a mistake if we continue to look at the republican party as a whole through sort of the lens of a rational logical behavior. this is a party that has been hostile to minorities for, you know, i can't imagine how long. it's a party that is, in my view, built on the whole idea of obstructing progress. it has been that way for decades. and it is a party that has represented primarily white ...

We've seen joe wilson be a darling and go from being a third stringer to being on the front of every newspaper for a few weeks. this is what happens in the political season. right now republicans are about obstructing progress. they'll do anything to make that happen. >> larry: is this damaging, ben, to democrats? >> i think it's damaging to everyone. a guest on your show that you've had a number of times, the very famous author linda fairstein who has a fabulous book out, "the hell gate, she says -- she was a sex crimes prosecutors for many years and she does a great job and she says the grea...

They have interests, so they're going to use this very opportune stickily. we see them become the front of the newspaper for a few weeks. this is what happens in the political season. right now republicans are about obstructing progress. they'll do anything to make that happen. >> ben, is this damaging to democrats? >> i think it's damaging to everyone. a guest on your show that you've had a number of times, the very famous author linda fairstein who has a fabulous book out, "the hell gate," she says the majority of these sex crimes -- not the majority, but a large number of these sex crime al...