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President. what president crosses constitutional boundaries and demonstrates that they are not upholding the laws of the land and that they have in this case kind of a substantial body of evidence that also is raising clear questions around counter intelligence, even. when we are talking about impeachment proceedings, we are not talking about criminal proceedings. we are talking about a removal from office, not going to jail. >> yeah. and you make that point, maya. and, john, this really resolves around how ideas get formalized in washington, which is a very odd process. and so al green has be...

Proceedings. we're talking about a removal from office not going to jail. >> yeah. you make that point, maia. john, this also really revolves around how ideas get formalized in washington. that is a very odd process. al green is pushing this. he is a critic of trump. he doesn't deserve the office and should be removed notwithstanding the other obstruction analysis. he was already out there with the super pro impeachment or more pro or whatever. he is leading this and rest of the party is coming along. take a look at congressman green. >> things start with a spark. and sometimes the spark is ig...

Precedent in the modern era even in the nixon era which is controversial where an attorney general comes out like mr. barr says actually, i'm the one who decides. this is very breaking bad. he's the one who knocks tonight and we'll fine out. i'm not here to prejudge it. find out if congress agrees that's a decision that only the ag is going to make over the course of a weekend with the private process. that's the end of it. so that's me building on your insight there. now i want to ask you on page three, let me read so everyone understands what mr. barr asserts tonight. is that mueller did not...

Investigation. if you wanted to send a message, he is the ideal person to do it. >> i'm going to put up on the screen some of what nbc news found that mueller is looking at in the obstruction probe because prior to today, one of the items was dangling pardons before witnesses, something john dowd allegedly did according to "the new york times." could this action today, based on what evidence they find, also enter into that obstruction analysis? >> it sure could. basically, everyone agrees the president has what's called a right to pardon. he has a right to pardon someone, but if he's dangling ...

Kids on the playground and one throws a ball in the air, another one tries to catch it and drops it. the first one says, hey, look, infield fly rule, you're out. the other kid says we're playing soccer. >> you're saying you have to do something more. i'm making the same point, the two intel chiefs saying i didn't feel pressured, it was inappropriate, weird, but i wasn't going to do it and he wasn't going to make me do it. i think that matters in terms of an obstruction analysis. >> i think it's subjective. david gregory, your analysis on this? >> i don't think it's nothing. i think it's at the...