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Latest departure from the trump cabinet and how the president plans to fill this particular job. but first, as they say, two reports today with major possible implications on the obstruction angle of the mueller investigation. "the new york times" first on the board, "washington post" quickly followed, to report president trump's former lead counsel in the russia case, john dowd, spoke last year with lawyers for former national security adviser michael flynn and one-time trump campaign manager paul manafort about possible presidential pardons. a five-person reporting team for the "times" write...

Our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 433 of the trump administration. another great day for all those involved in the newspaper war that this administration has sparked. not a great day to be the now-former va secretary, and in a moment we'll talk about the latest departure from the trump cabinet and how the president plans to fill this particular job. but first, as they say, two reports today with major possible implications on the obstruction angle of the mueller investigation. "the new york times" first on the board, "washington post" quickly followed, to report president trump's...

The probe at a certain date? >> no. that doesn't happen. so, the investigators will take their investigation where it goes and they are going to stay within the parameters of the regulations, but they are going to -- there's so many different aspects of that investigation. there is a money piece. there is the dnc hacking piece. there is the russian influence we already saw the indictment of russian nationals and russian entities for using social media and other mechanisms to try to influence u.s. political opinion. there's the potential obstruction angle. so there's so many different angles of...

Protecting donald trump. so he's frustrated. i don't have that piece of the puzzle quite yet on whether the special counsel is asking directly about that line on jeff sessions on obstruction. but i can tell you, chris, that those who have sat for interviews say that it seems like they know what they're doing and they very something pretty concrete pretty clear on donald trump himself. and not just on the obstruction angle but rather on the coordination or collusioning and. >> yeah, it sounds like they've got all three vines working including the laundering, too. that red line has been crossed ...

Activity to counter that threat. that is a national security threat that he is not in my view conducting his actual role as president by ignoring it and not bringing the whole of government response to address it. >> yeah. >> and so part of what the special counsel is trying to get at is why the president a, tried to shut down this investigation multiple times. so part of it speaks to the potential obstruction angle. and b, why from a foreign policy and national security perspective he continues to not address that issue. and what is it about potentially prior financial dealings that might inf...