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Weighing in on a contested issue. at any impeachment trial. that would be of questionable impropriety, whether or not it postdated any impeachment trial. the question now is for the house, they voted to impeach the president we're waiting on whether there is a trial, so doj is saying, stay out. >> i want to break down this now with dana bash. and also paul callan. >> thank you, jessica. >> the trump add ming station says there's no urge sensecy for a couple reasons, the house went ahead and voted to impeach without hearing from him on obstruction. and that the obstruction articles of impeachme...

Getting ready to talk to shannon in a second. mika, i want to start with you. two articles of impeachment, abuse of power and obstruction of congress. surprising or not? >> no, i think there were questions whether or not they would include the obstruction articles from the mueller investigation, but as they've made clear in these later hearings, this is about the 2020 election and preventing the president from manipulating that. so we're keeping it limited to just those things that are about ukraine interference going forward. >> there was a reference to a pattern of misconduct by chairman jer...

Really. just as the ten obstruction articles in the mueller report against president trump. you never see evidence of obstruction like that. someone -- the ringleader ordering people to destroy evidence and file false documents and commit perjury, i've never seen that in an obstruction case, and i've presided over quite a few. >> please stay with us across this commercial break. i want to pick up exactly there when we come back, be right back with bill weld. ♪everybody

And saying it doesn't really doesn't advance the inquiry very much. >> you're a former federal prosecutor, former u.s. attorney in boston. evidence like that is the kind of evidence that you are always, i assume, trying to find? >> oh, yeah. no, this is a slam dunk case. really. just ask the 10 obstruction articles against -- in the mueller report, against president trump. you never see evidence of obstruction like that. someone -- the ringleader ordering people to destroy evidence and file false documents and commit perjury? i've never seen that in an obstruction case, and i've presided over ...

Obstruction articles in the clinton impeachment and nixon. does he have a point? >> he has a point, but that's not a legal point. that's a question of whether you can win it in the so-called trial and whether the politicians will vote one way or the other. but legally, it's actually a great technique from an ex-prosecutor standpoint that you can add in basically an obstruction count for the target's behavior. it's very powerful actually. >> jackie, the calls to mitch mcconnell's office. mcconnell's office is denying this. our reporting is that the president's been calling mcconnell at least --...