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I don't know if they can fairly take the good information that they got from the process of trying to flip manafort and flip the cohen, and turn it into something that is all that reliable or all that informativ. >> martha: is there anything in here that you think is particularly worrisome for the president tonight? >> i don't think either of them is a smoking gun, particularly the manafort document is heavily redacted. i don't think it is either a smoking gun that says he is in harm's way. remember, he was told he was a subject, not a target, and to our knowledge, that hasn't changed. but the...

I think they're terrific people and terrific lawyers, and i think they could help drive a media strategy for the president. my biggest problem is that they have been reported in the paper as representing mark corallo and sam klobis, and i don't understand how you overcome the conflict of the representation of those individuals, irrespective of whether they sign a waiver, and the representation of the president, especially corallo, who quit the campaign -- or quit the job in the white house because he thought they were engaged in obstructionist behavior on that air force one memo thing. so how ...

And terrific lawyers, and i think they could help drive a media strategy for the president. my biggest problem is that they have been reported in the paper as representing mark corallo and sam clovis, i don't understand -- irrespective of whether they sign a waiver. especially corallo who quit the campaign who had the job in the white house because he thought they were engaged in obstructionist behavior. how do you represent someone who's said the white house has engaged in obstruction behavior. on a complex matter, they probably won't pass the test. >> ken, i know you want to respo

To find consensus. but historically this person has done nothing to establish a good working relationship with the congress. and not only with republicans, but with democrats as well. >> you know, i sometimes hear this coming out of d.c. this is a president who has fewer of those sort of hands-on friendly chummy skills than previous presidents. but i'm wondering whether or not his reticence for small talk is actual political problem or whether there is -- and certainly folks on the left see it as obstruction behavior on folks on the right. the right will say he hasn't reached out to talk to us...