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Decide. or was this something that would be passable. it is hard to make an obstruction of justice case. this is one of the things, the question that is out there is will mueller try to stitch these things together in order to build a case? >> the other argument, the legal rationale that mueller is referring to is not just obstruction but witness intimidation. what about that? >> it would be part of a wider obstruction probe. the question is by his public statements and tweets would he be trying to change witness testimony, intimidate, tamper with key witnesses in the investigation? some would...

Subpoenaed. let me move on to this new reporting out of "the new york times" that mueller, the president's tweets, "the new york times" writes this. the prosecutors who lack one slam dunk piece of evidence in obstruction cases often search for a larger pattern of behavior. explain how that works. >> certainly. i think sometimes when people think of witness tampering they have an image of some big guy with a crowbar coming to your door saying you'd better not testify. >> not the case. >> that's not going to be the case here. you can look to more subtle ways. threaten to go fire somebody even by...

Looking for. he hasn't been providing them, at least so far in the interviews he's given. essaying this is because it's classified stuff. >> paul: what about that, dan? i have a similar reaction to jason, that it didn't advance the ball all that much beyond what we knew. what do you think? >> i think that's right. one thing we can say that is if the idea at the center of this is that the president committed obstruction of justice, this will be one of the weakest obstruction cases ever brought if the base is inside the memos. one other important thing. what we have identified is that james come...