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That option. and doesn't think the business of presidential harassment is the right way for them to go into the 2020 election. it's up to the house, we'll see what happens. >> case closed. that approach is what nancy pelosi is watching. she's said all along she needs republicans in the senate to get on board make an impeachment process worthwhile. >> do you think impeachment proceedings should start now? >> i think we're headed down a road where impeachment proceedings become inevitable. and mitch's engaging in a lot of wishful thinking, he wishes the case were closed. it's not closed. the mue...

Impeachable offense. even if the under lying pardon is valid. >> i want to throw out something else. witness tampering. the president's lawyers discussed pardons for michael flynn and paul manafort. the president's use of the term pardon. is that a message or a warning to witnesses? would that be witness tampering? >> is the president's potentially dangling a pardon out for these folks to implicitly persuade them to give testimony or talk to investigators in a way that is favorable to him? it is possibly obstruction. with these obstruction cases and corruption and bribery and extortion, the ch...

Number on that. obstruction cases are made everyday. it's about the quality of the evidence. in my personal opinion, i think in this case, in this investigation they have a lot of things to pull from. >> before we get deeper into the l law, looking at the fbi, you write that donald trump would call you as president on unsecure phone lines. we know he had russian photographers in the oval office without the american press. is you write in the book his aides would take the daily intelligence briefing on laptops and hand it back and you could tell from the technology they wouldn't even open it. h...

Other corrupt act other than just fire him, it can obstruct justice because that's what article 2 of the constitution gives to him solely. not congress, not anybody else. if, for example, a president said, leave office or i'm going to, you know, have your kids kidnapped or i'm going to break your legs -- i prosecute a lot of obstruction cases. i'll give you an example. when the president said, please go easy on flynn, i know of no obstruction case that begins with the word please. it goes something like this, if you don't go easy on flynn, i'll break your kneecaps. an obstruction case has to i...

Signals occurred between trump and cohen and/or others as to his definitively false testimony, that we know to be true. he gave false testimony. he's admitted that to mueller. mueller is 100% -- stands behind that. what conversations occurred, what happened around all that we don't know, and i believe it is probably quite nuanced. criminals, bad actors, they don't usually talk that explicitly. they don't say, hey, i want you to go in there and lie. it's more of a wink and a nod and i myself have prosecuted obstruction cases involved in that. that can be bad conduct. whether it's criminal or no...