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President can pardon flynn. >> right. >> we saw in george bush sr. he pardoned people in the iran contraaffair that could have potentially incriminated him but they did not ultimately in that scandal but in terms of obstruction i think we have to keep in mind that the president asking for the scope -- description of the scope of his authority is not going to be any type of obstruction. the issue of an attorney for the president going to a potential witness and offering a pardon obviously gets closer because obstruction cases are basically a quilt like allegation. it's composed of a number of i...

And yes, there are circumstances where the removal of a special counsel would itself constitute obstruction. the way the law works is you love at the intent. if there is a corrupt intent to block or cut off or interfere with a government investigation, even if you're exercising otherwise lawful power, if you're doing it think about it to protect yourself, to protect the family member, if he wanted to fire mueller for the corrupt intent of having taken a bribe from somebody. those wrong purposes are why we instruct juries in obstruction cases. if it is a wrong improper, evil or bad purpose that...

It to protect yourself, to protect the family member. if he wanted to fire mueller for the corrupt intent of having taken a bribe for somebody. those kind of wrong purposes is why we obstruct juries in obstruction cases. if it's a wrong, improper or evil purpose it's corrupt. that's why this news is so important. nixon didn't want to turn over those tapes because he knew they would implicate him. >> what do you have here that would be similar to that? there's no suggestion that the president is being asked to do anything that he doesn't want to do and move on the special counsel. the most gros...

He admitted it the next day in the oval office when he said he had to fire comey to get this russia thing off his back. i've had lots of obstruction cases. i have never had one where the defendant admitted on national tv that his intent, it all comes down to whether or not he had corrupt intent, which simply means, was he trying to stop the investigation? i just never had such good evidence before. >> okay. well, corrupt intent, and i want to tie that in to just arrogance or ego maybe. frank, this is this piece in the "washington post" that the president asked the acting director of the fbi wh...

Impede in an investigation. >> then my point, jeffrey, is that i'm trying to highlight, i think, the discretion that robert mueller, if these are the only known facts to him, will ultimately have in determining whether he can assemble an obstruction case. >> obstruction cases are very difficult to assemble, because they turn on this question of what is in the person's mind. there are a lot of dots to connect. you mentioned some of them. did he know that flynn lied to the fbi when he fired comey, when he ordered senate republicans to stop the investigation, does that show corrupt intent? when h...