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Impede in an investigation. >> then my point, jeffrey, is that i'm trying to highlight, i think, the discretion that robert mueller, if these are the only known facts to him, will ultimately have in determining whether he can assemble an obstruction case. >> obstruction cases are very difficult to assemble, because they turn on this question of what is in the person's mind. there are a lot of dots to connect. you mentioned some of them. did he know that flynn lied to the fbi when he fired comey, when he ordered senate republicans to stop the investigation, does that show corrupt intent? when h...

Spokesperson quit because of concerns over obstruction of justice. this all may have come as news to us, but by the time we're reading it, mueller already knows about it. the relevant timeline gained clarity, but in a moment i'll ask a constitutional expert if legal answers are anymore clear. important milestones would seem to include the following, the january 27, 2017 dinner between the president and then-fbi director comey, where trump supposedly sought comey's loyalty. next, the february 14th meeting where the president asked the vice president mike pence and attorney general jeff sessions...

Case. >> i don't want to lead you. you're a constitutional scholar, a smart guy, as read-in as they come. when you saw the "times" story, the cnn story today with new developments, what jumps off those pages to jeffrey rosen? >> both that there are increasing pieces of the puzzle that troubled staffers within the white house enough for them to think that there might be a plausible case of obstruction, and on the other hand that there is not yet a smoking gun. there may not be one, and that ultimately this is not a legal, but a political question. it would not be brought in a court of law, but ...

But the founders believed that impeachment was ultimately a political remedy, but you're right, it depended on a certain trust in the virtue of representatives and their ability to defend the public interest, and that's why it's so terribly important that if ultimately this did come to impeachment, people try to set aside their partisan views and decide, was the public interest served, or were there grave crimes and misdemeanors against the united states of america. >> final question, based on that which is in the public domain, which seems more perilous potentially to this white house, collus...

Question of obstruction. consider that michael schmidt in "the times" yesterday reported that the president had instructed white house counsel don mcgann to stop the attorney general from recusing himself. now cnn is reporting it wasn't just mcgann, it may have been priebus, sean spicer, as well. is there anything improper in that? >> well, that is the simple question, and just as in washington it's not the crime, it's the coverup, the question as you said so well, michael, did he have corrupt intent when he asked sessions not to resign or when he asked other aides to ask sessions not to resig...