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It would affect the president in being able to to carry out his duties. this president spends a lot of his time actually doing things that are not presidential, tweeting, executive time, golfing, all those things. and i actually think there's an argument that that could play against the historical interpretation. in any event, i think there is a strong argument that politically, because impeachment is a political matter, the democrats in congress are not going to want to proceed on these payments to the women. what does matter is whether or not there was a coordinated obstruction effort, wheth...

Cnn legal analyst shan wu joins me. a lot of lying in the filing according to officials there. we now know thanks to the filing that manafort had continued contact with trump administration officials as late as this year, he was indicted in 2017. what does that mean for the officials and the white house as well? >> well, it is a very troubling development, jessica. if he was contacting the officials, those officials are going to need to be spoken to and interviewed. and what's looming over that is whether there's some obstruction effort going on. not only are the officials going to be concerne...

Most widely remembered parts of his obstruction effort is when he tried to block the fbi investigation by using the intelligence agency, by using the cia, telling the fbi there is stuff they couldn't look into, because those were cia matters, trying to enlist the cia in an effort to cover up what he had done and to stop the fbi investigation that was going to expos him. when it comes to president trump, apparently trying the same thing, not only did he reportedly ask the heads of two intelligence agencies to help him out when it came to public perceptions of the russia investigation, he specif...

For these exonerating statements, but asked them to tell the fbi to stop its investigation on the russia matter. including specifically their investigation into the national security adviser, mike flynn. some of the most powerful obstruction evidence against nixon from the '70s, some of the evidence that is still the most widely remembered stuff, all these decades later, some of the most widely remembered parts of his obstruction effort is when he tried to block the fbi investigation by using the intelligence agencies, by using the cia, telling the fbi there is stuff they couldn't look into, b...

The do. >> so you think is a part of what i think people like yourself and others argue. it was a sort of ongoing slow motion obstruction effort by the president? >> absolutely. he is obstructing justice right before our very eyes. and he does not stop. he continues to, you know, use the powers of the president to send a message to those who would flip on him or who would cooperate with the investigation that he'll take care of them. and he's done it consistently. >> you know, a lot of people have made the point recently that ultimately, the attorney general jeff sessions recused himself from ...