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Is, pardoning everybody, but that was before all of the indictments that came out. at this point in time, they would not be -- paul: he's attempt to go cover up even though there's nothing to cover snup. >> that would be the perception. paul: okay, when you suggested pardoning, you were saying everybody, that including hillary clinton, anybody involved in clinton e-mail case, basically sweep everything of this issue and put it all behind it? >> no, no, entirely behind but one caveat, we were suggesting at the time letting congress, have congress seriously investigate with nobody being able to ...

Right? >> yes. >> it's going to come out of rudy's mouth in an interview one of these days. they acknowledge they aren't sure that the president is in the clear on the question of obstruction of justice around the comey firing. >> around the obstruction issue, around the issue if he doesn't sit for an interview or if he does and he ends up in a perjury trial. >> paul? >> the ironic thing is some of the stuff that he's doing now, which is allowing access from his lawyers to these secret documents, access that no other subject of an investigation would ever have, these jet mese meetings with onl...

Findings in two different reports, the first report focused on the obstruction issue and the second on collusion. and that could relate to rudy giuliani's conclusion that the investigation will be done by september. in the special probe against bill clinton, ken starr tackled all kinds of issues and rolled them up into one giant report and turned it into a drum beat for etimpeachment. >> prosecutors lay out how the president allegedly lied and obstructed justice in both civil and criminal investigations, charging clinton engaged in a pattern of conduct that interfered with his constitutional d...

Involves a global sweep in search of evidence, far more complicated than your average white collar case here in the u.s. is it possible that mueller is -- he's going to have to take a time-out. would september 1 be logical at the beginning of the general election campaign? >> that's not an prosecutors have to deal with often, but you folks in the media talk about labor day, at least you used to, as the beginning of the campaign season. i think it makes sense, yeah, sure. everyone comes back end of august, things gear up in all spheres in washington. that's probably a point at which mueller and...

President said this. watch. >> when you look at the corruption at the top of the fbi it's a disgrace. our justice department which i try and stay away from, but at some point i won't. >> every time the president makes comments like these, is he giving mueller more ammunition for an obstruction case? >> i don't know that that speaks to the obstruction issue. it gaflnizes congress and individuals within the justice department to want to stand as firmly as possible in these institutional protectives. i don't know that he would be -- that there's any sort of argument that there's an investigation ...