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And our justice department, which i try and stay away from, but at some point i won't. >> every time the president makes comments like these, is he giving mueller more ammunition for an obstruction case? >> so i don't know that that directly speaks to sort of the obstruction issue. in a larger sense, i do think that it galvanizes congress, it galvanizes individuals within the justice department to really want to stand as firmly as possible in those institutional protections. so, you know, i don't know that he would be -- that there is any sort of argument that there is an investigation that he...

Variety of issues. there's a lot here that i see as i skim through them on the obstruction going through each individual person that the president dealt with, whether it was his targeting sort of his -- his verbal intimidation of the attorney general, whether it was list interactions with director comey. many others. there's all different angles that potentially can speak to an obstruction issue. there's questions about the camp -- all of the things that he may have known that really is is a big question mark right now. one of the things we don't know because he hasn't testified in front of an...

Was his targeting sort of his -- his verbal intimidation of the attorney general, whether it was list interactions with director comey. many others. there's all different angles that potentially can speak to an obstruction issue. there's questions about the camp -- all of the things that he may have known that really is is a big question mark right now. one of the things we don't know because he hasn't testified in front of any of the congressional intelligence investigation, others have, and so we've gotten to know pieces of the coordination or communications that took place, i should say com...

It crystal clear this investigation isn't going to end any time soon which is what rudy julianni seems to be suggesting. he can wrap things up if a few weeks, he was talking about obstruction. clearly every one of those questions are about the president's past, his business dealings in russia and his various relationships. every one of those is interwoven with the question of obstruction. was there something the president was trying to obstruct to prevent the public and the prosecutors from knowing about? so, mueller can't wrap up the obstruction issue until he knows the answer to all these ot...

Way of saying there is nothing here. we don't hear a lot for the president about whether he has the power to do this or that but there are a lot of questions about that and if you talk to folks that are closely following this and lawyers working on the case they would say the obstruction issue is more problematic for the president than anything else. >> gene, we were told michael flynn was fired because he misled the vice president about his talks with sergey kislyak. this is one of a number of questions here that may get at the collusion question and what the president knew. i find it really ...