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Variety of issues. there's a lot here that i see as i skim through them on the obstruction going through each individual person that the president dealt with, whether it was his targeting sort of his -- his verbal intimidation of the attorney general, whether it was list interactions with director comey. many others. there's all different angles that potentially can speak to an obstruction issue. there's questions about the camp -- all of the things that he may have known that really is is a big question mark right now. one of the things we don't know because he hasn't testified in front of an...

The root of all of this here, so we don't know if the answer if he'll ultimately sit down. it's one of the reasons that rudy giuliani is one of the new lawyers on his team. he is supposed to be negotiating something like this, but it does seem to me that this was leaked by someone on the president or the white house's side, not certainly the special counsel. >> also joining me on the phone is anne mi lg ren, former attorney general and prosecutor in new jersey. what jumps out at you at this point? >> i have the same reaction. the areas are not surprising, the areas of inquiry, and i also belie...