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Crime. >> bret: and there is evidence of it. >> right. then it becomes much more serious because then you can have obstruction issues that are real ones. it's obstructing a crime. so the secondary crime could actually be more serious. >> bret: what the special counsel was told to do was get to the bottom of russia's interference in the 2016 election. in that russia section we see the beginnings but we don't see all the puzzle pieces here. >> the good news here as well in the sense that the thing that got my you a was that si certain guy synergy con. he was working on the moscow project. you ca...

Are looking for tomorrow. we have these two big documents on paul manafort and cohen. >> i think the most interesting and important thing to find out from paul manafort is what he lied about, what was it that caused his agreement with the special counsel's office to fall apart, and the big mystery is the joint defense agreement, and whereby the attorneys were sharing information with one another. that raises a lot of questions about whether or not there was communication related to pardons, and it raises questions related to obstruction issues. ultimately i think the most important questions t...

50% of the story. what happened with russia? and i suspect the special counsel knows already. >> that's just on the russia front. if you think about how sprawling this has become, we're looking at russian interference, we're looking at transition team issues, campaign finance issues with michael cohen, we're looking at potential obstruction issues and now the special counsel with michael cohen has his sort of nose under the tent of the trump businesses. this thing has gotten very sprawling and phil is right. i mean, there is so much we don't know. >> so on paul manafort specifically, and you c...

Constitution includes a clause which most people didn't notice which prohibits this sort of conduct in anticipation that someone might abuse it in our history. there is a lawsuit raising that constitutional issue. i think a president who will not disclose his income tax returns, who has not divested himself of his own business dealings leading this country and being subject to this kind of conduct is unacceptable in america. >> senator, you have been a big part of a bipartisan effort on criminal justice reform, the first step act, which the president said he supported. this is something that w...

Interview format badly enough he is willing to litigate over it. there's some reason to believe that might be the case. reportedly, these written questions only relate to the issue of russia collusion. the issue of obstruction of justice is not addressed reportedly in the written questions. even if robert mueller is satisfied with the written ants, he might have this other area to explore, the obstruction issues. the legal questions there tend to relate to mental state, not what the president did but why he did it. that is the kind of information prosecutors need usually to sit down and interv...