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Said, specifically, manafort. now we do not know what mueller was referring to in that instance. and these are only 49 questions. if you were to sit down with someone there would obviously be many more that come up along the way if you just look at the president's conduct from the public record and you look at the different things that we note, there's a lot, many more things in the obstruction bucket than there are in the collusion bucket directly related to the president. comey firing, his treatment of jeff sessions. the constantly you know asking sessions to resign. trying to get rid of ses...

Donald trump trying to avoid this interview. >> um-hum. >> bill clinton, as you recall, spent quite a bit of time fighting off whether he would ever do an interview with then independent counsel ken starr. is it within a sitting president's rights to fight and potentially withhold their interview? >> you know, this is a different situation as you recall what happened back in the '90s with bill clinton, i was actually on capitol hill at the time, but the president it go forward and do the interview. i understand and i'm not a lawyer like you, you understand lawyers are saying, you don't walk in...

On the sacking of andrew mccabe by saying now let's end the entire investigation? >> this is a significant story. it comes not from a commentator or a, quote, ally of president trump but from his criminal defense attorney at a very tense time, as you know, joy, because we are in the morning after the very late night and unusual firing of the number two official at the fbi who is, of course, what we call a fact witness to the obstruction issues around james comey. the next morning betsy woodruff with a big story here. they're not quiet. they're not letting this play out. making another on-the-r...

People have jumped to conclusions that are completely inconsistent with the law. that is to say that the president exercising his power because of self interested reasons has obstructed justice. our law doesn't sweep nearly so broadly quite apart from constitutional consequences of a president having article two power. i'm on solid ground here with the supreme court of the united states rebuffing the government years ago 9-0 for trying to end obstruction issues by overemphasizing and overdefining the word "corrupt." corrupt doesn't mean you want to do something in your own self interest. it me...

The sort of strangeness of those conversations and the weird almost creepy kind of pressured context, if that's the sort of story that mccabe is telling and it's a credible one, it's not going to be very believable for the president to say, oh, this was an off-the-cuff remark. i'd ask that to anybody. it's going to sound like something that was intended to kind of get a loyalty test again. >> if the president had his druthers, it seems like he would go to coffee with bob mueller today. that's how he sounded last night. ty cob jumps in and says wait a minute. you had a piece out saying when mue...