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It struck me as if maybe it hasn't become clear to him or he hasn't been sort of briefed on what obstruction means. obstruction is when you try to thwart a legitimate criminal investigation, and that thwarting could have legal jeopardy for him. >> yeah, i would imagine that there are people out there who have faced charges of obstruction of justice who would characterize what they did as fighting back. against what was happening to them. robert, i want to play you the exchange over the former acting fbi director andrew mccabe who has become a bit of a lightning rod thanks to the president and ...

Which is a different thing. >> you know, it's interesting to me too, chris. clearly to bob's point, this was way off the script that the white house and even the president's lawyers probably will encouraged the president to follow. but the president speaks in the language of a pugilist. everything is about a fight and who's tough and who's strong and who's the best and the biggest. and in this language, he's also basically saying they can't get me on collusion. now they're going to, because i fought back, they're going to come after me for obstruction. that's how i read his statement. it struc...