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This is pure emotional catharsis somewhere on the part of "mean girls." we know jeff sessions has been interviewed by the mueller problem in ways that could create a real problem for donald trump. ie, unrecuse yourself because i want you involved. eric holder would have protected president obama. so that should be in place for me too. the obstruction pattern does not look good for the president. attacking, victimizing and humiliating his attorney general in public, that may be a personal quirk of the president, will not hurt his legal defense. >> laura, what about that? asking jeff sessions to...

Find lawyers who say, look, he is the president of the united states. under the constitution he is the head of the executive branch and does, in fact, have great latitude in directing the justice department and the attorney general on investigations that might involve him, even. if it comes down to it, and robert mueller were to find an obstruction pattern and send it to the house of representatives for an impeachment proceeding, they have the right to decide what constitutes obstruction under the constitution as well. there is a big debate on whether the president crossed lines. >> there's mo...

It's considered to be out of bounds. whether that's legal obstruction or not, is a big question, a big debate about this. i'm not a lawyer, but you can find lawyers who say, look, he is the president of the united states. under the constitution he is the head of the executive branch and does, in fact, have great latitude in directing the justice department and the attorney general on investigations that might involve him, even. if it comes down to it, and robert mueller were to find an obstruction pattern and send it to the house of representatives for an impeachment proceeding, they have the ...

The 1970s t' considered to be out of bounds. whether that's legal obstruction or not there is a big question. there is a big debate about this. i'm not a lawyer but you can find lawyers who say, look, he is the president of the united states. under the kongs institution he is the head of the executive branch and he has great latitude in terms of directing the justice department and the attorney general. even on investigations that might involve him. of course, if it comes down to it, robert mueller were to find an obstruction pattern and send it to the house of representatives for an impeachme...

Obstruction pattern? i think there's serious exposure here. >> you're right about that. but this was a spin. it happens in the city all the time. if you start criminalizing spins, half the city will be frog marched into a federal penitentiary. they try to manage messages. all a personality types. they try to control messages and events. it's hard for a lawyer to say the best thing you can do is nothing at all. you're making this a lot worse. but spinning a statement like that is not a crime. otherwise most of what happens in the city is a crime. >> we sgaut got to leave there. thank you both. ...