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Investigation complete with tape tampering and all. that's nick akerman, nick, thank you for being here. so obviously, the obstruction portion of this was always a pretty significant part of this case. you hear that you are looking at the tapes. what does that say? to you? >> it says to me they are looking at it for a couple of reasons. first of all, these videotapes would have shown who went in and out of the facility, the storage facility at the time of the grand jury subpoena was served on the trump organization for all of these records. so the question becomes did they tampered with those,...

It doesn't have to be a separate article. but they think it is instructive and all part of the same issue here. i think frankly there are probably some house democrats who have been dealing with this issue for so long on the mueller report, they want to see it included just to get it all wrapped up. what nancy pelosi wants is still a mystery. you saw her not answer my question there. she dodged a similar question during that cnn town hall tonight. she will be part of this process. she made it clear she is not going to be caught by surprise by what they do. she's going to be involved and we'll ...

In whatever the house committees produce. it doesn't have to be a separate article. but they think it is instructive and all part of the same issue here. i think frankly there are probably some house democrats on judiciary who have been dealing with this issue for so long on the mueller report, they want to see it in included just to get it all wrapped up. what nancy pelosi wants is still a mystery.an you saw her not answer my question there. she dodged a similar question during that cnn town hall e tonight. she will be part of this process. b she made it clear she is not going to be caught by...

Especially on the judiciary committee who feel like the obstruction laid out in the mueller report is part of a pattern, part of the same objective behavior you are seeing from the president even now refusing to comply with subpoenas, to come and testify. there are some democrats who would like to see that included in whatever the house committees produce. it doesn't have to be a separate article. but they think it is instructive and all part of the same issue here. i think frankly there are probably some house democrats who have been dealing with this issue for so long on the mueller report, ...

Corroborate this. i want to turn both of your expert attention to the obstruction portion. glenn, what case does it make? >> so, ari, if the abuse of office allegation is a bit of an outside jump shot, then i think the obstruction allegation is going to be a layup. you have the president, who is often his own worst enemy, who stood up on camera and said i will comply with exactly zero congressional subpoenas. and then he made good on that promise can -- courtesy of this report and we knew it before we began to observe this report, they can provide incriminating information about the president'...