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Knows, and it depends on what donald trump told michael cohen. with respect to the obstruction portion of this investigation, as people have been saying for many months now, the critical piece is not so much what the president did, although that helps to develop the narrative on obstruction but what was the president thinking when he did those things. he probably doesn't have e-mails or a journal in which he said i'm doing this thing to obstruct justice. instead you glean what his mental state was from conversations with other people. so if michael cohen, had a series of conversations, hypothe...

Surprisi surprising. it's the kind of thing he's done for a year and a half. we have kind of as a society gotten accustomed to it to some extent. >> harry, i don't walk around quoting u.s. code. for god's sake i don't comment on that. particularly on this argument you started hearing from someone late today as twitter still seems to so many people as a medium. this could still be kind of slow rolling obstruction in plain sight and the three words in the obstruction portion are if you're trying to influence, intimidate or impede an officer of the court. how is this not that? >> how is this not ...

Sight and the three words in the obstruction portion are if you're trying to influence, intimidate or impede an officer of the court. how is this not that? >> how is this not that? exactly right. and in some ways the notion of whether it's preparatory or a command almost doesn't matter although it's a very, very tenuous distinction. it's not only the president saying this but he's saying the same sentence right now. surely anyone who heard those words in the oval office would think he better remedy the situation or he's going to lose his job. but if what the president is trying to do in a mild...

Mark meadows, who heads the freedom caucus, welcomed the president's move with this statement. quote, i applaud the president's leadership and push for transparency, and i hope the department of justice will follow suit by making the relevant documents available to congress. while a referral to the inspector general is a step in the right direction, the department has an obligation to comply with congressional requests for oversight. their attempt to circumvent this responsibility will not go unnoticed. as trump wages war on the fbi, his lawyer, rudolph giuliani, is staying on message and on t...

President's move with this statement. quote, i applaud the president's leadership and push for transparency, and i hope the department of justice will follow suit by making the relevant documents available to congress. while a referral to the inspector general is a step in the right direction, the department has an obligation to comply with congressional requests for oversight. their attempt to circumvent this responsibility will not go unnoticed. as trump wages war on the fbi, his lawyer, rudolph giuliani, is staying on message and on the offensive. he has told "the new york times" that speci...