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Were broken. >> speaking of running afoul of the law, there's a subpoena to rudy giuliani who has defied the subpoena from your committee and other oversight committees and there's some reporting there's some divide among democrats what to do about it. what do you think should be done about the fact mr. giuliani has defied your subpoena? >> you're right. i mean, look all of us are very disappointed, dismayed, disturbed, all of it that rudy giuliani is not cooperating with the congress even though he's been subpoenaed. and so there is a split of opinion about what do we do on the subpoenas. do ...

Cases of obstruction put forward or these instances of obstruction put forward. and but i think we've got to pursue every legal avenue possible to get him to comply. as you've seen in the last week and a half or two weeks there have been people who initially resisted coming forward who zrieds zrie decided after all to come forward. >> i know you can't speak to specific testimony, do you feel that the witnesses that you have heard from have been truthful and forthcoming? >> so far i think so. yeah, the career duliplomats, t civil serve wants so far, yes. they've come forward and they feel a dut...