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They knew what was coming. so we shouldn't just think of it a as a 48 hour window. rosenstein and then barr would have known the evidence or lack thereof that robert mueller had collected on the obstruction question. so it is not just 48 hours. that's their argument. but i think we'll hear from more people in the coming days especially as congress weighs in on this. did they move in a direction that maybe wasn't explicitly laid out from the special counsel? i for one -- yes, i'm surprised that mueller himself didn't weigh in on that. but it seemed it was a jump ball. >> we'll come back to you ...

Campaign, but the second on obstruction, tell you, you know, katy, it's very confusing in here. the report did not make a decision on obstruction. it's the attorney general that's making a decision on obstruction. we already know had he a very expansive view of executive power on this front. so that isn't going to resolve the obstruction question. as far as congressional democrats are concerned in general, and probably many members of legal community. this is going to about debate, i think. you can't have the debate until you see the actual evidence of the obstruction, and i'll say this. i thi...

Like election day, election night where they were all basically pointing their fingers at people saying we told you so, we told you so. someone literally texted me today close to the president, lynne patton, high-profile friend of the president, she said basically this is basically the president being told you are really the president of the united states and you're lawfully in your office and democrats will take this as this basically being like hillary clinton, i know you're bitter, i know you're angry but we should go ahead and swallow this. but your point on the idea there's still real inv...

Have to go back to voters who love him by about 80 or 90%, very different from nixon. >> how do you think history will judge robert mueller? >> i think i would like to see the report before i say that. that report is essential for americans to see it to understand what has gone on. it would be one of the great travesties of history if we have to make decisions about this based on a four-page press release by a fairly partisan attorney general we have seen today. >> do you think this process accurately reflects what the founders expected in this country? >> i think the founders would be chagrin...

Out that answer. >> you're saying that because you believe don junior, you know him to be someone that the sdny is looking at. that is why robert mueller would have backed off. >> might have had to. key to the obstruction investigation is what happened not only in the june 16th meeting, the june meeting of 16 but also in lying to cover it up. remember he lied and said it was about adoptions after the president met with putin and they had discussion about adoptions. that's key to the obstruction question. it's hard for me to believe that mueller would not have made an effort to talk to him. so ...