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Of it as he could down and, of course, we now know that those initial conversations with james comey were just the tip of the iceberg when you look at the other interventions with the intelligence community, to try to get them to intervene with the fbi, had white house counsel go and intervene with the attorney general directly. maybe other people inside the administration including the attorney general to obstruct justice. >> natasha, quick last word on "the new york times" tonight? >> i just think that it mean that is mueller still has a lot of work to do. the obstruction case building and t...

Iceberg when you look at the other interventions with the intelligence community, to try to get them to intervene with the fbi, had white house counsel go and intervene with the attorney general directly. maybe other people inside the administration including the attorney general to obstruct justice. >> natasha, quick last word on "the new york times" tonight? >> i just think that it mean that is mueller still has a lot of work to do. the obstruction case building and trump doesn't seem to be taking it seriously enough. as wolff wrote this morning, trump doesn't seem to have the discipline or ...

You mentioned what don jr.'s response was, which included especially if it's later in the summer, which is part of his helping to weaponize the information that the russians had. he was suggesting when was a better time to release the information? and remember that they also hacked into the rnc, but nothing from the rnc was ever leaked. which is another very suspicious fact. so all of these. and of course papadopoulos' efforts and the information that he had and the timing of it are very significant. so all of these things keep adding up to looking at not just russian interference in our elect...

Summer, which is part of his helping to weaponize the information that the russians had. he was suggesting when was a better time to release the information? and remember that they also hacked into the rnc, but nothing from the rnc was ever leaked. which is another very suspicious fact. so all of these. and of course papadopoulos' efforts and the information that he had and the timing of it are very significant. so all of these things keep adding up to looking at not just russian interference in our election, but to what americans were participating in that, who conspired to help the russians ...

Fbi. is it not safe to say if donald trump had not gotten in his way with interviews, with tweets, with reckless claims, that the legal challenges that he's facing now would either be minimized or be nonexistent? >> you know, it's always the coverup. prosecuters love a good coverup. that's how you often will find a public construction case will end. much more on the corruption or the perjury side of things than on the charges. this case is a little bit different, because the president most constitutional law scholar believe you can't indict a sitting president, that bob mueller won't do that. ...