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Stonewalling, will be as schiff said previously evidence for a separate article of impeachment on this obstruction question. >> jeff, thank you very much. jeff bennett for us on capitol hill. jeff and garrett are going to continue to work that side of the story as this continues to develop. two individuals involved in the how judiciary committee process tell nbc news that we could be seeing three or four articles of impeachment. one to two may be on abuse of power, specifically defined as pushing a foreign government to interfere in the 2020 election. another one would possibly be for contem...

Does the sideshow matter more or the substance of what democrats think they gleaned, what they extracted from corey lewandowski matter more? for the sideshow, democrats could make the argument should have been better prepared for the blizzard of obstructions that corey lewandowski tried to throw in their way in part because he tweeted well before he even stepped foot into this hearing room, basically the same talking points we've heard from president trump, about how the mueller report showed no obstruction, no collusion. that's not entirely true but there was no denying that corey lewandowski...

Having his transition meeting with eisenhower in late '60, early '61, is ike showed him the button you pushed where the helicopter came to get you and that was the thing kennedy loved the helicopter coming. i think the pardon power is like that button for trump. it's a nifty thing he didn't know he had. it appeals to the authoritarian instincts. it appeals to the unilateral instincts. and the other thing on the obstruction question is we saw this in the mueller report, where he would say things and if people had gone out and done them that we would be an entirely different place in terms of im...

The helicopter coming. i think the pardon power is like that button for trump. it's a nifty thing he didn't know he had. it appeals to the authoritarian instincts. it appeals to the unilateral instincts. and the other thing on the obstruction question is we saw this in the mueller report, where he would say things and if people had gone out and done them that we would be an entirely different place in terms of impeachment. right? so you're really counting on the people around the president knowing when to take him seriously and when not. and that's an awfully significant burden to put on peopl...

In terms of the potential i should say democratic push to move toward an impeachment inquiry do you think this adds much steam? >> you know, i think this is still in speaker pelosi's court on that decision. my own sense is as was just pointed out, i think the president found out about the pardon power when he became president kind of like the one thing that president kennedy really enjoyed when he was having his transition meeting with eisenhower in late '60, early '61, is ike showed him the button you pushed where the helicopter came to get you and that was the thing kennedy loved the helicop...