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Just one piece. and mueller's been doing this a while. he's not going to just come in with a witness who's going to have his head taken off for credibility without having a lot of backup. >> yeah. i mean, cnn has not confirmed this, this is just the buzz feed reporting that we're attributing. so much still has to be confirmed, nia. but, if and when it is confirmed, this puts all sorts of lawmakers, particularly some of the president's supporters and republicans in a real bind because this came up during the bill barr confirmation hearing this week and lindsey graham, i think we have that sound...

Documents. >> here is how rudy giuliani responded to the report, if you believe cohen, i can get you a great deal on the brooklyn bridge. a key democrat house committee chairman adam schiff saying the allegation that the president of the united states may have suborned perjury before our committee in an effort to cover up his business dealings with russia is the most serious to date. we will do what is necessary to find out if that is true. worth noting that during his confirmation hearing, william barr said coaching a witness to give false testimony amounts to obstruction. >> so if there was ...

Reduced sentence. >> reporter: the white house denied the report. >> that's absolutely ridiculous. the president's outside counsel addressed this best and said in a statement earlier today that's categorically false. >> reporter: this a statement, the president's attorney also repeating the line that michael cohen is a convicted criminal and liar. if buzzfeed's report is true, the president's pick for attorney general william barr told senators tuesday, a situation like that could be a felony, obstruction of justice. >> if there was reason to believe the president tried to coach somebody not t...

>> i'm not going to go there. >> let's talk further about this. mj lee is joining me now and david gergen, adviser for presidents. so i want to point out everyone that the cause and effect we're seeing from the presidents decisions, if you fire fbi director james comey, then you have special counsel robert mueller, if you fire attorney general jeff sessions, then you now have the ag nominee william barr who was just asked about obstruction of justice this week during his confirmation hearings. >> so if there was some reason to believe that the president tried to coach somebody not to testify o...

The other thing, and this is also usually significant, is that buzz feed says that michael cohen and the president met some ten times, ten times over this deal over the moscow project. hugely significant because obviously the president has sought to down-play any role he may have had in this project. now, timing in all of this is potentially the next attorney general just testifying days ago here on capitol hill was asked about this issue, if the president would suborn perjury or if he was involved in any kind of obstruction, what could potentially and what should potentially happen. here's th...