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People and we can't depend on the mueller investigation for this. the mueller investigation, number one we don't know when it's ending despite lots of rumors. number two, is focused on specific crimes. >> bret: does it sound to you, jim, that they have a feeling that mueller's not going to deliver what they want? >> everyone on both sides is deciding what the mueller report is going to say and it isn't out. when we sit back and let the mueller report come out and then figure out what to do next. the obstruction stuff, it's a different set of questions that they are going to look at. >> bret: w...

Go the fact that it was today and the president wanted to humiliate him by him leaving told as opposed to the end of the week, it's just wednesday -- it shows how angry the president was and the fact that he installed mr. whitaker suggests that this is the first step in trying to eliminate robert mueller. >> what does this mean whitaker effectively, assuming he doesn't recuse himself, overseeing mueller in the probe? >> it's a significant move by the president. it's clear why the president did it. look, whitaker has been out there before. he worked for the department of justice saying he thoug...

I want you as my client to answer in writing. you know why? so i can control it. >> i think it's fairly common sense, especially -- >> i don't trust you in the chair. i want it in writing. and they're going to give it to him with collusion, but not with the obstruction stuff. >> this president, in terms of this investigation, has been exceedingly transparent. his lawyers, i think, made a very bad error by turning over documents that any other president would have exerted executive privilege on. and in fact it will probably cause a lot of trouble totally unrelated to russian collusion. two year...

Not let him do this. >> this is a tweet that came out in the past minute -- three from the president. this is not a game. you are screwing with the work of the president of the united states. china, the middle east, so much more, there is note much time to think about this especially since there was no russian conclusion. bottom line, is he going to sit down? >> i think it would be insane for his lawyers to let him do it, just -- whether the thesis on this or simply that the recall issues alone are daunting, and mueller and those guys know how to ask follow up questions. i split the baby on th...

Might again think of some of his approaches as unconventional, but i think you have to give credit where it's due. there's a certain genius at work. >> i just don't see it as mutually exclusive. i think you can say -- i've never said the president is anything less than intelligent. i think that because he is intelligent he's making very definite choices. >> i'm not sure your view is held by many, many of the people at cnn. >> i'm only -- i only control one person. you're looking at him in the ugly suit. what i'm saying is this. what comes out in this book is you've got a level of dysfunction. ...