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Cetera, it seems a reasonable person at home can take from this that obstruction works, right? if you say no aggressively and often enough, you can hamper an investigation. is that a reasonable takeaway? >> but you said a key word. reasonable. there is no reason in this process right now. this is a partisan process and by that i mean the republicans have dug in, in a way that i never thought i'd see in my lifetime as a well. they refuse to acknowledge facts. it's fair to debate whether the president should be impeached or censured. they won't even do that. they're saying he did nothing wrong. ...

Weeks, there's still a bit of a gap as to what exactly came from the president with respect to why the aid was held and why it was ultimately released. i would love to hear from these people who know firsthand or love to see these documents if they provide some further light on it. that legal need for a methodical case runs up against a political reality which is the calendar. it will take time. so while in a perfect world we would get this information, i understand the democrats' hessy tense to push this months into next year. >> with an uncertain outcome how high they go. should folks at hom...

It suddenly -- >> if that's what comes. >> let's also note the dripping irony in is that the white house is preventing firsthand witnesses from testifying. >> absolutely. >> it gets to the point that obstruction works, right? at least to this point. let me note a tweet from justin amash, who until recently was a republican member of congress, now independent. he tweeted the following. this is simple. keep it simple. the white house released security assistance to ukraine only after congress started asking questions. why? considering that bolton, giuliani, mulvaney and others may have pertinent...

Was charged with obstruction. there was no one else. legally you can't charge the president. it was obvious and you put this many millions of dollars and these many interviews, you couldn't find someone? to your point, mueller punted on this when he should have made form decisions. >> people want to draw paul legals between the clinton impeachment and the nixon investigation and watergate. with watergate, people went to prison. that's how obstruction works. if you're committing conspiracy and perjury, they're serious crimes. it's not a solo sport. is the president unorthodox? does he give into...

Number one, why wait? the senate is careening towards the edge. now or later is a moot point. and number two, politically, obstruction works. at least it did for republicans. they blocked president obama's court pick in this case, they made it harder for him to get legislation done. and it won them control of congress. they obstructed his court pick and got them neil gorsuch. they fought the opposite of the presidency tooth and nail and now they control it. this is the dilemma facing the democratic party. here's another thing, voters never punish obstructionists. they still punish the other si...