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Minute. >> rich, do you see it as a problem? >> no, not if the -- if it is true that he was just there at the beginning and didn't actually participate in the briefing and just emphasized that the president does have an interest in transparency. i don't see what the problem is with the president having an interest in transparency. i mean there are a lot of questions about this investigation and how it began, that congress has a right to look into. i think it is ridiculous as we heard from the congressman a little earlier the make every single thing the white house does with regard to this inve...

Justice department alum of the justice development if he were to do something like that and some would reveal it as an obstructive act, that he would reveal something that the investigators don't want revealed. so certainly he has a lot of power in this respect. but he himself, much like rod rosenstein does seem to be walking a line here and pushing the justice department, but only pushing them so much. >> i do want to ask you about that, because everybody says that rosenstein is between a rock and a hard place, yes, but if you look at all the public opinion polls out there, about the mueller ...

Rosenstein, it's another nail in his coffin. i think that will cross a red line. so, out of self-preservation, i doubt it. >> norm, norm -- >> that is not an obstructive act. that's ridiculous. >> all right, sol, go ahead. >> -- an obstructive act, too. >> it's not -- look, it doesn't come close to obstruction of justice. i don't think he should fire rod rosenstein. it doesn't come close to obstruction of justice to fire somebody that you have the right to fire. one thing they're not really thinking of, when we talk about firing rosenstein, fufirst of a, it's not going to hurt him. he'll wear ...

Obstructive act, anderson! this is how president trump got in this mess. by firing comey. >> oh, please. >> now if he does it with rosenstein, it's another nail in his coffin. i think that will cross a red line. so, out of self-preservation, i doubt it. >> norm, norm -- >> that is not an obstructive act. that's ridiculous. >> all right, sol, go ahead. >> -- an obstructive act, too. >> it's not -- look, it doesn't come close to obstruction of justice. i don't think he should fire rod rosenstein. it doesn't come close to obstruction of justice to fire somebody that you have the right to fire. on...

Done nothing wrong, but that the mueller team doesn't seem convinced yet that there was not collusion there. ambassador, the prospect of the president taking action against the department of justice, get involved to use the president's own words on twitter today. he could, in theory, replace rod rosenstein with someone who then gives, i mean, republican allies on the hill everything they want to know about mueller's case, which i guess would fly in the face of the department of justice tradition. could that happen? >> well, anderson, i think things have probably gone a little too far for the p...