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With nancy pelosi, with these democrats who are saying you need to start this, they do need a robert mueller type to be less nuanced and more black and white because that's the world in which we are living. the hope was that he would do that and would be pulled into that via questioning and public testimony on capitol hill. what he was trying to say is i'm who i am and i'm not going to change that so don't bother. >> he could accomplish that for the democrats even sticking to his report. in his report he said i investigated ten areas of obstructive conduct. as to at least three of them, i foun...

Possibly crossing the line into obstructive conduct. >> they were very aware. annie donaldson took those notes at the direction of don mcgahn to create a record in their office of all these encounters with the president. it's not only noting possible obstruction but dialogue. exact word the president used in meetings with don mcgahn and others. it establishes a fact pattern of what happened in all of these many instances of possible obstruction of justice. the mueller report has a lot from the notes in there. he does not print all of the notes for us to see. so there's more material presumably...

Common facts and we can debate what the facts mean but the facts themselves won't be in question. >> from a legal perspective, is there any legitimacy, that democrats are overstepping, this isn't for legitimate legislative purposes, that they're doing this in some instances for partisan ways? >> it's hypocritical for anyone who sat through the benghazi investigation. the republicans are wrong here. congress has this job, an oversight job, a looking into presidential conduct job. they cannot do it if the white house stonewalls them and it's obstructive conduct. >> joyce, we appreciate you and y...

Quote, while this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him. what's your reaction to that? >> yes, but then if you go on to the next two paragraphs, wolf, the attorney general does kind of a brilliant analysis of it. he says that he and deputy attorney general rod rosenstein have concluded that the evidence is not sufficient to establish the president committed obstruction of justice. then he goes even further and points out that basically under settled law, it's almost impossible to have obstruction of justice if there's no underlying crime....